How to Play Indian Sitar Raags on a Piano

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John Pitts
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How to Play Indian Sitar Raags on a Piano

Postby John Pitts » Wed Dec 28, 2016 6:45 pm

http://www.lulu.com/shop/john-pitts/how-to-play-indian-sitar-raags-on-a-piano/paperback/product-22961686.html

FOR ADVENTUROUS PIANISTS

Hallo, I'd be grateful if you could share this with any pianists if appropriate - it is my brand new 258-page book of 24 Indian Sitar Raags completely reinvented for piano, plus a whole load of instruction and musical examples. I'm a British composer who spent 10 months in Pakistan 21 years ago.

My new book is designed to be enjoyed by good amateur pianists through to virtuosic professionals. It is suitable for any pianist who enjoys discovering new music, or who has an interest in music from other cultures, or who knows the pleasure of jazz noodling and wants to explore a rewarding and fresh (but centuries-old) form of improvisation. The amazing world of Indian raags has been opened up in this sympathetic but thorough reinvention for piano solo (or duet or two pianos).

Many thanks,
John
http://www.johnpitts.co.uk
PS: here's a through-composed 'raag' for virtuoso piano duet - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKEI9vGuxI0

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Re: How to Play Indian Sitar Raags on a Piano

Postby trippymonkey » Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:41 pm

OH
24 Indian Sitar Raags completely reinvented for piano ????
MMM Interesting but you do know about srutis etc. The bending of notes that give Indian music, north & south, its brilliance & uniqueness.
How may one reproduce this on a fixed note instrument?

Might well indulge myself, thank you.

Nick

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Re: How to Play Indian Sitar Raags on a Piano

Postby westsea » Thu Dec 29, 2016 3:12 pm

Raags on a fixed note instrument?
Harmonium?

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Re: How to Play Indian Sitar Raags on a Piano

Postby profpandit » Mon Jan 02, 2017 2:36 pm

trippymonkey wrote:OH
24 Indian Sitar Raags completely reinvented for piano ????
MMM Interesting but you do know about srutis etc. The bending of notes that give Indian music, north & south, its brilliance & uniqueness.
How may one reproduce this on a fixed note instrument?

Might well indulge myself, thank you.

Nick


Hi Nick,

The bending of notes, called meend is done in the alaap.
That's the first section of a performance and is usually not that long.
The following sections, which have a tempo and rhythm do not use meend
Those sections are typically a lot longer.
There is a small difference between the equal-tempered scale and the harmonic one based on the tanpura.
But it's not a huge difference. The equal tempered scale sounds pretty good,
specially to an untrained listener.
The scale used in a raag,
the aaroh and avroh which is the ascent and descent pattern within the scale,
the primary and secondary resting notes
and the pakad or characteristic phrase --
all these, for example could well be brought out on a piano.
So I think you get 90% of the meat and miss out on some of the gravy -- Chilly Chicken

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Re: How to Play Indian Sitar Raags on a Piano

Postby John Pitts » Mon Jan 02, 2017 4:29 pm

Hallo - thanks for the nice comments, Nick, and for the very sensible questions. And Chilly Chicken, thanks for your response which I'd echo - you're right - the shruti and meend are lost, but there are things you can do to mitigate the loss, and anyway there is still a wealth of things within Indian raags that a pianist can enjoy.

Bhairava

Re: How to Play Indian Sitar Raags on a Piano

Postby Bhairava » Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:32 am

Dont be fooled, you can not reduce the depth of nada yoga to the stale and robot confines of a piano, doing so is essentialy taking 99% of the beutity of this art and throwing it in the trash.

You have done nothing more than break down the raags into modes, if you want a book on that just buy the raga guide.

If you actually want to learn ICM I would suggest buying a high quality tanpura and study voice with a highly qualified teacher that has produced platform level students.

Only then will you begin to understand the deep spiritual nature of this music.

Try

http://dhrupad.org/about/

John Pitts
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Re: How to Play Indian Sitar Raags on a Piano

Postby John Pitts » Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:03 am

Hi Bhairava,
Have a listen to this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKEI9vGuxI0
Warmest wishes to you.

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Re: How to Play Indian Sitar Raags on a Piano

Postby profpandit » Tue Jan 03, 2017 2:58 am

Bhairava wrote:Dont be fooled, you can not reduce the depth of nada yoga to the stale and robot confines of a piano, doing so is essentialy taking 99% of the beutity of this art and throwing it in the trash.

You have done nothing more than break down the raags into modes, if you want a book on that just buy the raga guide.

If you actually want to learn ICM I would suggest buying a high quality tanpura and study voice with a highly qualified teacher that has produced platform level students.

Only then will you begin to understand the deep spiritual nature of this music.

Try

http://dhrupad.org/about/


Well, the purpose of bringing some of the knowledge of ragas to a Piano
is not to teach a pianist ICM,
but to expose them to the theory of melodic composition developed in the raga system
the purity of the tones which is what you're referring to
is orthogonal to that aspect of ICM
therefore that entire body of knowledge will carry over pretty well

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Re: How to Play Indian Sitar Raags on a Piano

Postby profpandit » Thu Jan 05, 2017 6:00 am

John Pitts wrote:Hi Bhairava,
Have a listen to this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKEI9vGuxI0
Warmest wishes to you.


It's a great adaptation.
It captures the melodic structure of a raga
while retaining the playing style of the piano
The charactertic use of pauses and variation in timing used in piano play
fits well with the tonal emphasis variations of a raga

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Re: How to Play Indian Sitar Raags on a Piano

Postby mizrable » Fri Jan 06, 2017 4:59 pm

this aint your grandma s keyboard!

https://youtu.be/hMZIsZ5prKA

total gamechanger!

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Re: How to Play Indian Sitar Raags on a Piano

Postby profpandit » Fri Jan 06, 2017 5:44 pm

Introducing an interface to easily bend notes on a keyboard is a novel addition.
However, a keyboard does limit you in terms of sound quality
since it is constrained to only play sampled sounds.
This might be very well accepted in Bollywood where they like to experiment.


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