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WHERE O' WHERE HAS OUR MONKEY GONE?

Post by Hamletsghost » Sun Aug 11, 2013 8:26 pm

:shock: WHERE O' WHERE HAS OUR MONKEY GONE :shock:
:shock: WHERE O' WHERE CAN HE BE :shock:

Where's our beloved Monkey Man's posts???????
This is a tragedy beyond compare......His sitar posts are all gone.
PLEASE FIX SIR TRIPPSTERS STUFF :!:

Too many good pictures .....topics ...... & posts o count.
WE NEED OUR MONKEY :!:

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
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Re: WHERE O' WHERE HAS OUR MONKEY GONE?

Post by nicneufeld » Mon Aug 12, 2013 1:12 am

:shock: :shock:

Speaking as a database administrator it looks rather like a "UPDATE Posts SET Text = '.' WHERE Author = 'trippymonkey';", but then I don't have back end access here! :D

Hopefully its just a mistake, and that's what regular database backups are for!! Hoping we see his stuff restored.

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Re: WHERE O' WHERE HAS OUR MONKEY GONE?

Post by ahirbhairav » Mon Aug 12, 2013 5:07 am

Not all of his posts are gone, only a few recent ones. Such as the Harmonium debate between Pascal, him, and me.
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Re: WHERE O' WHERE HAS OUR MONKEY GONE?

Post by mahadev » Mon Aug 12, 2013 5:38 am

Got a pm from Nick, he is fed up. Actually I am surprised he lasted this long. He is fed up for the same reason all the old hands on this forum are fed up. When you have spent decades studying ICM you just don't want to have your knowledge questioned by every Tom Dick and Harry.

David, this forum is a mess. You have lost almost all the senior contributors. Have you ever thought about why that is ?
I will write a post in the "These Forums' section. You really need to re-invent this place.
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Re: WHERE O' WHERE HAS OUR MONKEY GONE?

Post by Lars » Mon Aug 12, 2013 7:49 am

Have no idea what happened to Nick but don't follow some threads closely. I think I have perhaps been here the longest amongst all the people posting, I don't even remember how long it has been, was in the 90's sometime. There have been a few times where I have just taken a break, the thing about a forum is its just an exchange of ideas and opinions and we have to learn to disagree and then on to the next topic. The tuners for instance, it's just not a big deal in the big picture in my opinion. Hell Max, you literally insulted my Guru once way back when and I said nothing and still helped you out when you needed it. Dissent wouldn't have been productive... I stick around because its fun sometimes and get to help new people out and hopefully speak in a way that's beneficial without being elitist or idiomatic, etc. Being an 'old hand' myself I've been pissed plenty of times, mostly at Povster :lol: with whom I've disagreed on things but at the end of the day it's just a forum and if any perceived foes were to be encountered in this virtual mish-mash, the probability is that in real life we'd all be friends having a beer as has happened a few times. Being written words only, emotion and intent can't be conveyed and so to take it too seriously is an invitation to frustration. You yourself have come and gone in a huff a few times. This all being said it's an exercise in futility to approach contributing with the expectation that yours, mine or anyones word is the final say on the matter, the subjects here cover ICM in general and it's a dynamic art form, it's not static. Even among the greats in the music opinions varied on many topics and the only constant at times has seemed to be disagreement and rivalries which is present in most things, it's human nature at its finest and worst. Let people question you, if you are certain about something and can't convince others your silence will say much more than words. Anyone with discernment will get the point you're trying to make.

There's nothing David can do, he's just a host of this and not the arbiter of justice because the odds are he possibly won't agree with any one or all of us on any certain situation. It's not a proper forum if it becomes so codified that it becomes just a platform for pedantic rants nor will it help any of us 'old hands' to have egos that don't allow us to be flexible or even admit when we didn't get it right which I've had to do more than a few times myself, I don't know everything nor do I ever hope to. Most people disappeared because they got bored, the drama is entertaining but it gets old and people and interest comes and goes. Others have started their own forums which never lasted or are irrelevant, anyone here remember Billy?..... Personally I've found it better to pick the topics carefully, a few responses and then forget it. For Nick to get fed up is sad, I for one will miss Nicks cheeky posts but its all up to him in the end. Knowing him though he'll be back but maybe I'll be gone then :D My 2 cents for Nick or any of us is to not take it so seriously, none of this or us will be written into the holy canon of ICM so lets just enjoy each other and count ourselves fortunate we have a place for our gob-shite to commence and keep things in perspective? Anyone here feel free to stone me at any time, preferably for good reason if possible. BTW Max, are you picking me up at the airport in Delhi?

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Re: WHERE O' WHERE HAS OUR MONKEY GONE?

Post by Markoz12 » Mon Aug 12, 2013 8:37 am

I'm relatively new here and as most of you know, know little or nothing about sitars.
I have great respect for Trippy Monkey. He has been very kind to me along my early journey into sitar with some great information and advice (as have other members of this forum). I am very grateful.
I understand these people have a great knowledge and background in ICM.

I don't know the history of this forum, but I was an admin of a forum for a long time and recently left it because of pathetic fighting.
Don't let this forum fall into the same situation. It gets ugly, personal and unbearable.

I like this forum....a lot.

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Re: WHERE O' WHERE HAS OUR MONKEY GONE?

Post by pbercker » Mon Aug 12, 2013 8:59 am

mahadev wrote:Got a pm from Nick, he is fed up. Actually I am surprised he lasted this long. He is fed up for the same reason all the old hands on this forum are fed up. When you have spent decades studying ICM you just don't want to have your knowledge questioned by every Tom Dick and Harry.
On the "tuner" thread, you wrote:
Electronic tuners are a pest. There is only one justification for their use, a noisy live environment. Other than that they are to be avoided at all cost.
Sorry I know some will take issue with what I am going to say now but if you can't tune your guitar without an electronic tuner then don't bother playing.Play keyboards.
Perhaps such tuners are a pest, and perhaps they're not. Obviously many people find them useful, but perhaps it's a crutch that should be best avoided ... but maybe not. There's room for a reasoned and civil debate, since there are clearly pros and cons, and it's not clear (to me) that one side vastly outweighs the other. If it is clear to you, by all means offer your explanation; but it does not advance the discussion to arrogate to yourself the power to lay down the law as it were, "do it this way, or don't do it at all" which is effectively what you do when you say "don't bother playing. Play keyboards".

Furthermore, on that same thread, I merely quoted some interesting scholarly research material regarding shrutis, ICM and the harmonium which I thought germane to the discussion. But apparently it was all "nonsense" to you and you wrote that I was "totally clueless" on the matter.

That does not strike me as engaging with the discussion in a serious way, but tends to derail it with a gratuitous insult, and it's certainly not the most encouraging or welcoming thing to hear as a relatively newcomer such as myself, having been here a little bit more than a year who very much considers himself a beginner in ICM (but an enthusiastic one generally).

Finally, the explicit motto on the ICM NEWBIES forum is this:
This board is just for newbies to place their questions, and for the old timers to answer their questions with patience. Remember, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A STUPID QUESTION!
Perhaps this wise motto should be extended to cover all the forums?


(Btw, the catholic pope remark was not directed to you, nor indeed to anyone. It was a rhetorical question, and not a accusation.)


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Re: WHERE O' WHERE HAS OUR MONKEY GONE?

Post by Hamletsghost » Mon Aug 12, 2013 9:56 am

:( WELL THEN - THATS AN EYE OPENER FOR SURE :(

I will not point to any one event or person, as I believe this has been brewing for Sir Trippster for a LONG time.

For the young'uns.
You REALLY don't know what you've lost with Trippy's departure.
I agree with Lars as this is just a forum of written words & annonymous post's
BUT
The loss of each of the elders is IMMEASURABLE - you don't know how much knowledge - wonderful pictures - MUSIC - OH THE LOSS OF THE MUSIC POSTED!!!!!! -

Think about it - Nick carries each of us with him to India every year on his adventures and returns with treasures of knowledge - music - pictures - travellouges - instruments. Max is sitting in the Himalayas playing beautiful echo's that resound to every heart that loves the music of India. Lars - povster - Tony - kalyan - the've spent their lives amassing this knowledge & experiences.
I can understand when someone has spent decades building up a knowledge base & attempts to pass it on only to have it thrown back in their face at every turn....Not that dissent is to be discouraged - as Lars put it - we never stop learning - I've had my share of go rounds with people here but I've tried to grow - learn - and to show a level of common civility that is sorely lacking in society today - To dissent is good - but to do it with so much discourtesy, & with such venom..
Especially with some of the incensitive invectives thrown in for show.
I've attended a few other unrelated forums & I've seen that some people think it's "Cute" to throw that kind of garbage in just to see what happens.
Where I work they are called mixmasters & they take great joy in waching how much garbage they can start.
Opinionated - some of you will justify - BOLLOCKS ( a tip to the trip :wink: )
There is no justification to driving away esteemed contributors like Trippy - ragamala - & many many more.

I am sorry for ranting here but I take this loss very personally as I had great respect for Nick and thoroughly enjoyed our interractions over the years, he's a great Chap that is witty - friendly - full of life - increadibly knowledgeable & helpful to all and sundry.
Just the loss of the music & pictures of India - A place MANY of us will never be able to visit is a tragedy for this forum.

Farewell Sir Trippster - Oh Monkey Extrordinaire - This old Ghost will be missin you for sure.
:( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

To those who need a minute to think - you REALLY need to take a long hard look and ask the question - Did I contribute to this? - Am I at fault of being a web troll that caused this fellow seeker of beauty to give up & leave us.
It will be a MUCH poorer place without Nick I can assure you...............

The true troll won't give a damn - he'll just laugh......That evil - self centered - destructive little looser laugh. What a pathetic, lonely, and ugly creature he is.. :evil:
To Quote:
"The man I am writing about is not famous. It may be that he never will be. It may be that when his life at last comes to an end he will leave no more trace of his sojourn on earth than a stone thrown into a river leaves on the surface of the water. But it may be that the way of life that he has chosen for himself and the peculiar strength and sweetness of his character may have an ever-growing influence over his fellow men so that, long after his death perhaps, it may be realized that there lived in this age a very remarkable creature."
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Re: WHERE O' WHERE HAS OUR MONKEY GONE?

Post by cwroyds » Mon Aug 12, 2013 6:58 pm

I have no idea where some of you get the idea that there are people on this forum who cannot be questioned.
Every idea can be questioned.
It may be annoying when a newbie questions your well reasoned argument, but that is life.
This forum is here for questioning things, asking questions, and stating your opinion.
If you can't take being questioned on your opinion, then you should not post on a forum.

I admit it is annoying when someone launches a nasty attack on you, but it happens.
Grownups should be able to take it.
You can just leave the thread alone and let the ignorant be ignorant, or you can level a reasonable response back at the troll.
BUT to "Take your ball and go home" is a copout.

I had disagreements with Trippy (mostly over the difference between Kanai Lal and Sons, and Kanai Lal & Brother).
We would spar over it and sort it out in private messages.
It was all good from my perspective.
In the end I still appreciated his sitar finds, and for the most part saw his posts as cheeky but good humored.
I must say that Trippy was not above the occasional nasty post about someone's opinion.
His love of ALL CAPS insertions was funny to me.
It happens, and it is not the end of the world from anyone.
I welcome Trippy's posts.
Sometimes they were the only interesting thing going on a given day.

BUT to suggest that Trippy's posts were beyond questioning is absolutely ridiculous and laughable.
Trippy knows a lot about india and ICM, but he is certainly not the source of all things true.
Yes, occasionally a newbie would question something they know nothing about, but that is life.
If you cant take your opinion being questioned at all then you can't have a public conversation about anything.

If he chose to take his ball and go home, that is up to him.
David has nothing to do with it.
Leave the forum out of it.

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Re: WHERE O' WHERE HAS OUR MONKEY GONE?

Post by mahadev » Mon Aug 12, 2013 7:36 pm

Carleton,

David has everything to do with it.

This forum is a gigantic pile of waffle with the hard earned knowledge of a few people thrown in between this heap .

I throw up my hands in despair.

Yes my dear friend Carleton, some people are above being questioned. The people who spent 20 or 30 years or more with Ali Akbar Khan or Ravi Shankar or whoever. The people who went to the moon and back and made sacrifices in their personal lives beyond anything you, or Lars for that matter, can even begin to imagine. Just to study this music.
All you armchair astronauts have no clue. None.

Anybody remember Geoffrey Lipner ? I was in Calcutta when he died. Want to hear the story ? Hey , where are all the AACM folks ? Do you have any idea what a treasure they have to share ? Where are they ?
Not here, that is for sure . Why are they not here ? Ask David.

David ?

Let me tell you something. With all due respect.

You have a duty to protect the people who contribute the real stuff from attacks and arguments and pointless bickering. Otherwise you will lose them, like you lost so many already.
How you do that is up to you. Come on, you can find a way. Most specialist forums grade their contributors in some way. I am beginning to suspect all you care about is the traffic.
Go on, prove me wrong.

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Re: WHERE O' WHERE HAS OUR MONKEY GONE?

Post by pbercker » Mon Aug 12, 2013 8:20 pm

Hamletsghost wrote:
The true troll won't give a damn - he'll just laugh......That evil - self centered - destructive little looser laugh. What a pathetic, lonely, and ugly creature he is.. :evil:
.... and perhaps he's under a bridge somewhere..... in the forbidden pool ... catching a fish .... singing a song ...
the rock in pool
is nice and cool
so juicy sweeeeeet!
our only wish
to catch a fish
so juicy sweeeeeeeeeeeet!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84zZPUYimWU

I wonder if that could be set to teental!?!


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Re: WHERE O' WHERE HAS OUR MONKEY GONE?

Post by Hamletsghost » Mon Aug 12, 2013 8:28 pm

Hey Carleton

Now that I've calmed down a little.

I agree completely with your point. I said that discourse & dissent is fine. We jut need to find a more zen way around it ......although a friendly dust up helps spice things up :wink:
We just need to respect each other and share this forum as friends and seekers of beauty.

Max forget the challenges.... how do you suggest David proceed if he WERE to step in?
Not an easy thing is it?
Is he to assign the fact check Gestapo to check the validity of every post?
Is he to come down on every post that hints of conflict?
If so I think we would see the end of the forum completely, and that is a greater tragedy.

I know you are frustrated and mad about this, but take a deep breath my friend, its not worth a complete meltdown. I too am mad as hell but I turned inside & listened to the music within o reclaim my calm.
The path to enlightenment is truly as thin as a razor & we have to realize many will fall off and disappoint us from time to time.... I have oh so many times.
We just need to help get them back on the path, no matter what our ego says.
Then truly the wise man has walked the path and found his bliss.


As I always have said......Peace can be achieved thru music.

Pascal ...... Too cool .....needed a good laugh. Yes I did my precious......
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Re: WHERE O' WHERE HAS OUR MONKEY GONE?

Post by mahadev » Mon Aug 12, 2013 8:38 pm

Hamlet,

you know what the problem is ?

This forum is like a ghost town, fog and smoke and everybody wearing masks.

What David can do about it ?

Simple. Let's have a real forum with real people . Everybody posts under his or her real name , with pictures and a bio , a proper profile.
Everybody knows who he or she is talking to.
It's that simple. No more anonymous bullshit.
END of problem.

Rocket science ? I don't think so.

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Re: WHERE O' WHERE HAS OUR MONKEY GONE?

Post by Hamletsghost » Mon Aug 12, 2013 8:49 pm

I agree that we should let everyone know who we are. THIS ghost has never hidden his identity behind his avatar.
R U A Turtle? You ol terrapin.... :wink:

I really think looking at this most posters are letting everyone know their identity any more. But there are a few......

We'll find a way. We'll carry on.
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Re: WHERE O' WHERE HAS OUR MONKEY GONE?

Post by mahadev » Mon Aug 12, 2013 8:53 pm

Carry on regardless.
Stiff upper lip.
Way to go old fruit.

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