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Deleting posts

Postby Aanaddha » Thu May 28, 2009 2:14 pm

Dear David,

If you feel the need to delete my responses to a post that's fine, but please be kind enough to delete the quoted portion of my response as well - otherwise there is no context or clarification and may appear as though you're either practicing favoritism or being completely random in your editing selections.
Would it have been too terribly difficult to move the entire thread to 'Off Topic' as Povster suggested?

A.

p.s. Since you're a proponent of civil liberties I'm curious if you had actually read through the thread and what your general opinion was?
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Postby ragamala » Thu May 28, 2009 2:34 pm

Seconded.

If it was my last replies that killed this I really would be interested to have an explanation, by PM if necessary, why this was somehow a straw that broke the camel's back.

The debate to-date had covered religion, sexuality as well as musical inspiration and I can fully understand why it was not appropriate for this to remain any longer in sitar and surbahar. But to delete the whole thread is a bit overkill. Frankly if views such as have been expressed are in some way not acceptable then I think we need a new policy statement.

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Re: Deleting posts

Postby povster » Fri May 29, 2009 5:10 am

Honestly leaving my post quoting Aan? As the last one? Makes no sense. Would like to delete it (tried but thread is locked) and cannot delete. David or whatever Mod did this - please delete my post as well.
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Postby ragamala » Fri May 29, 2009 1:50 pm

It seems clear that moderation standards are suspect here - I would expect moderator action to be both appropriate and timely.

Today it seemed to take no time to delete an advertiser's post.

Yet in the case we're talking about not only was the debate allowed to go on far too long, and no notice taken of the request to move the topic, but at the end of the day a blanket delete (apart from the inexplicable decision to leave Povster's post remaining in its partial state and therefore incomprehensible) was applied.

I must say I still feel guilty having applied posts which may have been the killer - but really - these related 1) to the fact that Christianity is perceived as a proselytising religion, whereas Hinduism is not, 2) to meet Povster's concerns about sexism being expressed regarding Anoushka Shankar (where I referred to her title and artwork for her "Rise" cd) and 3) to suggesting that the notion of the "gay gene" (and scientific explanation of homosexuality) has undergone some revision by the APA as evidenced by their new (two weeks ago) statement of their understanding. and Californian PC doesn't apply to other free societies. Plus the admission that I have in the past hennaed my hair.

Now I don't consider any of this was a hanging offence, and I would suggest that none of my posts involved eg racist, religious or sexist abuse, I hope everybody here knows me better than that, but if we on the forums are not allowed to express considered opinion on matters of concern and interest then that's the point I bow out.

I have enjoyed agreeing with, and sparring with sometimes, Aanaddha and Povster, but I have come to the conclusion my time is better spent elsewhere.

Summer's here, and the the time is right for ... well I'm not sure - won't be dancing in the streets for me, but believe it or not I do have better and more productive things to do, at the worst I could get back to some serious sarangi practice, so it is with reluctance and with regards to all I'm saying today's posts will be my last for the foreseeable future.

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Re: Deleting posts

Postby david » Fri May 29, 2009 4:10 pm

Dear Brothers and Sisters

It was I who deleted the posts, and yes I did allow it to go on too along. I allowed it to go on too long because I am loath to interfere as long as people are communicating. However when it becomes a flame war, this retards communication, because other people begin to feel hesitant about expressing their views for fear of provoking some kind of response.

When forum members start to attack each other for any reason (religion, ethnicity, sexual preference, etc.), I have only two choices. I can delete posts or I can start to delete users. Faced with this decision what would you do?

One other thing that you might keep in mind is that once the topic shifted away from sitar and into these other areas. If you had shifted from the "sitar" section to the "off topic" section I would have been less aggressive in deleting posts. There were a number of post that I deleted that were legitimate and non-threatening views on important social topics; but they had absolutely nothing to do with sitar.

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Postby ragamala » Fri May 29, 2009 5:32 pm

Dear David

I had really intended not to post at all further, but your answer to this leaves me perplexed.

Where ever was any flame war?

Where ever was there a personal attack by anybody on anyone else?

I am afraid your response on this has caused me to reconsider my previous good opinion of your judgement.

If "we" had shifted the discussion!!! Surely that was called for by Povster earlier and best done by a more effective moderator intervention?

I'm sorry I don't buy all that.

We all knew the thread had gone into other areas that had nothing to do with sitar, but I don't believe any of your other arguments hold up. Anyway I am past this now, so please feel free to delete me as a user, although I am certainly not guilty as a perpetrator of any personal attack on anyone on this forum, and not on any grounds you mention.

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Re: Deleting posts

Postby cwroyds » Fri May 29, 2009 6:50 pm

Ragamala, come on dude.
Surely you are not so offended by that thread disappearing that you are going to ditch the forum all together.
It is the equivalent of saying "I am taking my ball and going home".
Surely the thread was going way out of topic and into some touchy subjects.
I was part of that diversion.
I don't feel that strongly about the thread disappearing.

Ramamala, your posts are useful and interesting and you provide a knowledgeable perspective.
Dont take a little thing like this and let it spoil your whole forum experience.
I would be disappointed if you disappeared from the forum.

We can have lively debates and discussions on the forum with the knowledge that occasionally a thread will be judged to be worthy of moving it or deleting it. It is not important. What is important is that we continue debating and discussing.
I hope to join you in many questionable threads for a long time to come.

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Postby povster » Fri May 29, 2009 7:44 pm

I agree with CW. There are a lot of posters here, many newer, but I got to know the good regulars over time and as soon as your their pops up I go to see what they have to say. Your name is definitely one of them!
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Postby mahadev » Fri May 29, 2009 8:00 pm

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

hahahahah......

right.

No more moderation, period. This forum was so much fun when it was unmoderated. We had the most wonderful and exciting flame wars , wow, the sparks would fly , it was great.
Somehwere on an old hard drive I have one such thread, if can dig that up I will post it, without usernames of course, just as a contrast to the very pc situation we have today.
Am I being serious ? Maybe, I honestly don't know.

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Re: Deleting posts

Postby Aanaddha » Fri May 29, 2009 9:51 pm

YOU MAY OPENLY DECLARE YOUR RELIGION, YOUR SEXUALITY, YOUR POLITICS AND ANY TYPE OF PERSONAL INFORMATION ANYWHERE ON THE FORUM, BUT NO OTHER MEMBERS MAY BE PERMITTED TO ENGAGE IN THE FURTHER DISCUSSION OF SUCH TOPICS.

Or we can all be asked to edit and/or refrain from giving overt references to our active religious, sexual, or political beliefs ?

DADT... works for me.


ragamala - You will be assimilated. SWMBOrg :wink:
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Re: Deleting posts

Postby Hamletsghost » Sat May 30, 2009 12:58 am

:cry: For those of you who read my post on the string in question you will know what I mean when I say -

:evil: MY POINT HAS BEEN MADE :evil:

David:
Thanks for leaving that string up as long as you did - too bad it took the turns it did - We Tried.

People -
You really need to assess where your priorities are & grow up.
It's the 21st century - quit acting like it's the dark ages.
Anyone can openly proclaim an opinion based on GOOD INTENTIONS -
PROCLAIMING A LOVE OF A HIGHER POWER (or lack thereof - or a different higher power - or nothing but music)
DOES NOT HURT ANYONE.
Mean vindictive comparisons DO.
IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT.

And this is what David is referring to - Don't shoot the messenger when people can't govern themselves or their passions.

Ragamala - We all do value your contributions - Please stick around -
To all the others - You are ALL entitled to your opinions - and I will defend your right too them - but PLEASE next time you want to go after anothers fairley INNOCENT beliefs - Just hit backspace.
If they're not innocent David is free to wield the DELETE button.

And lastly - Look back at some of the major controversies, and lively heated discussions we've had these years past - I think David has proven he is more than judiscious with the axe - until we become too hurtfully personal -
Then when he does delete don't get mad when you've become hoisted by your own petard. :P

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There's nothing you can do that can't be done.
Nothing you can sing that can't be sung.
Nothing you can say but you can learn how to play the game.
It's easy.
Nothing you can make that can't be made.
No one you can save that can't be saved.
Nothing you can do but you can learn how to be you in time.
It's easy.
All you need is love.
All you need is love.
All you need is love, love.
Love is all you need.
Nothing you can know that isn't known.
Nothing you can see that isn't shown.
Nowhere you can be that isn't where you're meant to be.
It's easy.
All you need is love (All together, now!)
All you need is love. (Everybody!)
All you need is love, love.
Love is all you need (love is all you need).


ps: to the original poster of that string please PM the linc to me with your vids I would like to see them again at my leasure - I did enjoy your music. HG
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Re: Deleting posts

Postby cwroyds » Sat May 30, 2009 1:05 am

Now if we could just delete those new posts that are selling Credit Cards, courses on how to pick up women, electronics, drugs, and offering jobs in a mail room.

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Re: Deleting posts

Postby Hamletsghost » Sat May 30, 2009 1:22 am

cwroyds wrote:
Now if we could just delete those new posts that are selling baby strollers, electronics, drugs, and offering jobs in a mail room.


:shock: AWWWWWW CW NO MORE CIALIS OR VIAGRA - NO FLOMAX :!: :?:
DUUUUUUUDE :o
Mailroom might pay good :P

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

& you sayin you don't wanna pick up women :roll:
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Re: Deleting posts

Postby povster » Sat May 30, 2009 3:53 am

The way I see things this is David's House. He built it. He invited people into it. He even made an Off-Topic forum to be a place TO talk about some of these things. When in someone's house do you piss in the potted plant because it is fewer steps from you than is the bathroom, which was built for pissing?

What gives anyone the right to start demanding of David DO THIS or DO THAT? Instead, we should see what David has built and learn what he allows and where he allows it and follow the rules any civil guest would follow in another's home.

PS to David -feel free to change "piss" to "urinate" or, even nicer, "tinkle" and, should you decide to do so, also delete this line - which ends here - pretty much - right about...here
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Re: Deleting posts

Postby Aanaddha » Sat May 30, 2009 1:19 pm

Who is telling David what to do but to clarify the rules?

There's something happening here.
What it is ain't exactly clear.
There's a man with a gun over there,
Telling me I got to beware.
I think it's time we stop, children, what's that sound?
Everybody look what's going down.

There's battle lines being drawn.
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong.
Young people speaking their minds,
Getting so much resistance from behind.
It's time we stop, hey, what's that sound?
Everybody look what's going down.

What a field day for the heat.
A thousand people in the street,
Singing songs and carrying signs,
Mostly say, “Hooray for our side.”
It's time we stop, hey, what's that sound?
Everybody look what's going down.

Paranoia strikes deep:
Into your life it will creep.
It starts when you're always afraid.
You step out of line, the man come and take you away.


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