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Post by coyootie » Mon Apr 22, 2013 6:53 pm

this is an intriguing old rudra veena. it has a flat/trough neck like a sitar and is overall quite small. I have another image from an old postcard of the same musician with a 7 string sitar.
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Post by povster » Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:50 pm

That really is intriguing. So many questions. What was it tuned to? What string gauges. Why so small (perhaps a young student's vin?) How did it sound? Never saw a vin like that. Thanks for posting it!
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Post by yussef ali k » Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:29 pm

Hi, all.


This is a nice photo: If you're wanting to post the other, please do so.
I believe the other pic (because it's the SAME musician + sitar) could tell more about both instruments c. 1902, as it is generally acknowledged the sitar sort of followed the bin, spec-wise.

Thank you in advance.

P.S.: The 'Hindoo' binkar seems pretty much a muslim to me, so if anyone is willing to clear this as well ...
... It also seems the pic(/s) to have been sort of a gift sent by a ICM fan, probably a Spanish (Portuguese? - If so, probably w/ a colonial link to India ?) Daddy to his daughters.

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Post by trippy monkey » Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:04 pm

That really is an intriguing 'HAS' - Been.


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Post by coyootie » Fri Apr 26, 2013 6:14 pm

here you are! this seems to have been a popular postcard, I've seen it offered for sale frequently.looks like he has a cool knobbly walkingstick on the mat in front of him.
I had a very old sitar a while back that was similar to this one. Mushtaq Ali Khan in recent times was still playing with this very archaic 17 fret arrangement.
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Post by mysteryofmusic » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:14 am

I'm always amazed to look at this picture of child Ravi Shankar holding that antique sitar.
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I see lots of similarities with afghan tanbur in the old instrument.
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Post by Hamletsghost » Thu Mar 26, 2015 12:44 pm

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Similar instrument to coyooties postcard above.
Love the Mickey Mouse ear tuning pegs on this old beauty. Looks like 18 frets.

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Re: old been pic

Post by RobertMaya » Tue Jun 28, 2016 8:58 pm

Yeah, as mentioned previously, this is a picture of a sitar been, a hybrid which was popularized in Maharashtra (I think the card might say "Bombay"). Here's a video of one being restored and played, albeit without the taraf strings https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-MykMkBsMs. Regarding the sitars, they used to suck acoustically and were plucked a lot more and a lot faster both in order to fill a hall and also because the gourd was very small - just listen to any old sitar player and you'll see what I mean. So that was a common sitar shape and is directly related to the tambours of Afghanistan. As you go east, the sitar will morph into the tambour, especially evident by the people who play tambour style stuff on a sitar using tambour technique.

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