Symbolic Dagar Style Rudra Veena

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Symbolic Dagar Style Rudra Veena

Post by westsea » Sun Feb 02, 2014 7:26 am

Altab has just finished building a Dagar style Rudra Veena.
Per customer specifications, it has symbols as part of the carving.

It's really beautiful.
http://www.rudraveena.org/SymbolicDagar.html

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Re: Symbolic Dagar Style Rudra Veena

Post by cwroyds » Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:21 am

Wow. Beautiful instrument.
The Tumbas are HUGE.

Just out of interest, what does a Rudra Veena of this quality cost to have built these days?

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Re: Symbolic Dagar Style Rudra Veena

Post by trippy monkey » Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:59 am

You'll need to take out a mortgage to buy one of these beauts. LOL!!!

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Re: Symbolic Dagar Style Rudra Veena

Post by westsea » Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:28 pm

I don't know what Altab charges for a Dagar style Rudra Veena, but
for a traditional style, fully carved teak model, you can probably get one for
around Rs 135,000 (packing and courier not included).
Considering the current exchange rate
(at least from US dollars to Rupees - around 1:61),
that's a very good price for an instrument like this.
http://www.rudraveena.org/Teak_2013_1.html
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Re: Symbolic Dagar Style Rudra Veena

Post by trippy monkey » Sun Feb 09, 2014 7:38 am

WOW Even THAT'S more than I thought. Western price though, maybe?!!?!?

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Re: Symbolic Dagar Style Rudra Veena

Post by westsea » Sun Feb 09, 2014 4:40 pm

Yes, that is the price for westerners. But, in this 'global economy',
prices seem to be high (and getting higher) for everyone, everywhere.

Going off topic...
People are interesting. There is a feeling, and I've been part of it,
that a Rudra Veena should be inexpensive.
We're all familiar with beenkar's topic, 'Inexpensive Rudra Veenas'
http://www.chandrakantha.com/forums/vie ... 21&t=11987

Suvir speaks of nice instruments, for under Rs 30,000. That would
be under $500, by today's US dollar to Rupee exchange rate! Really?
So would Rs 60,000 (less than $1000) be a 'good' price for the finest Rudra
Veena built today?

If I want to buy a Hemen #1 or Barun Roy #1 sitar from a reputable USA dealer
(who offer a fine and valuable service... I'm not demeaning them), the cost
is 'high'. If I want to buy a classical guitar on ebay and do a sort, highest
price first... WOW! For a 'simple' guitar?

I'm not going after you, Trippy, for trying to help keep things within
reach, for us 'middle incomers'. You've helped many people get good
instruments, for a good price. Please keep up the fight!

I just find the topic of price to be kind of like, 'who is the best sitar
player in the world?'. There is no answer.
But, with price, it's like I started,
in this 'global economy',
prices seem to be high (and getting higher) for everyone, everywhere.
It's a tidal wave that can't be stopped.
:(

PS I know price is a delicate topic. Please, let's discuss it rationally,
and, as further comments are made, in a new topic. This topic is to
appreciate a beautiful instrument.

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Re: Symbolic Dagar Style Rudra Veena

Post by musicslug » Mon Feb 10, 2014 5:18 am

price is hardly the only hurdle encountered if you decide to take up Vina. teachers are few and far between. lineages are dying out. it's difficult to play (pulling meends on .050" strings is... challenging). you need such gnarly calluses that if you don't practice at least an hour a day - 2 is better - it's painful to play. jawari is much more difficult than on sitar/surbahar. it's very low-volume and difficult to amplify in a live-sound situation. it's best suited for alaps, which are a challenge to audiences used to the pyrotechnics of tabla and sitar. realistically, it's best in intimate settings, with knowledgeable audiences. and, being a subtle, meditative instrument in an ever-faster-moving world, it's no wonder this 'perfect storm' may lead to its near extinction within a generation or two. Indians sure aren't lining up to study it - unless I'm missing something.

of all of the possessions I have, if the big earthquake finally hits Seattle, the main thing, as far as difficulty in replacing it, would be my Kanailal vina. no amount of insurance money could get me another like it - unless I was thinking in terms of taking years finding one, and even then it's no guarantee.

which makes it all the sadder knowing how many of these beauties are sitting around in homes (and museums) around the world, not being played.

sorry to be such a downer, but I think the value of a truly great instrument goes way beyond price, especially when it comes to something with such a long history - and something that may not be around all that much longer, at least as far a living tradition.

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Re: Symbolic Dagar Style Rudra Veena

Post by trippy monkey » Mon Feb 10, 2014 12:49 pm

West
Certainly agree about cost etc but we want to try & spread Rudra Veena out there & not have it restricted because of initial prices. Captive markets are not good. In fact, if the one I have here in my friend's shop in Varanasi, is sold, my 'dealer' says he's buying another.
VICTORY!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Symbolic Dagar Style Rudra Veena

Post by Nick B » Mon Feb 10, 2014 6:29 pm

Just to put this into context, a standard Gibson Les Paul new off the shelf costs £1,800, substantially more therefore than one of Altab's RVs. And yet they are mass produced, punched out by the thousand every year. Of course, I understand that high volumes bring lower costs, but the craftsmanship that goes into a good RV, not to mention the sheer time required (not to forget the knowledge) means that this is actually great value IMHO.

One thing we can all agree is that it is unlikely ever to be a mass produced instrument, but then was it ever?

It is wonderful that these skills still exist and they should be cherished.

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Re: Symbolic Dagar Style Rudra Veena

Post by trippy monkey » Tue Feb 11, 2014 3:21 pm

DAMN RIGHT!!!!!!

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Re: Symbolic Dagar Style Rudra Veena

Post by Bhairava » Fri Dec 05, 2014 7:46 pm

Nice job,

Altab's prices are very fair, he really does a fine job and takes his time with his instruments.

It doesn't get much cooler than that vina!

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