Ragas that do not use Pancham

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Ragas that do not use Pancham

Post by Kirya » Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:06 pm

I am trying to figure out what raga this is - the basic aroh is D is an important rest note but also G

'D, 'NS, Gm, R Gm, DNS'

S'ND, mG, Gm, mGRS'NS, 'D, 'D'NS

It may not actually be a Raga but I found my self playing it and wondered if it is actually a raga that I may have heard somewhere
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Re: Ragas that do not use Pancham

Post by nicneufeld » Sat Jun 09, 2012 6:27 pm

Are you using m for shuddh or tivra ma?

If the latter it has at least hints of Sohini, one of my recent favorite "pa-less" ragas. But that one uses komal re on descent, no re on ascent.

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Re: Ragas that do not use Pancham

Post by Kirya » Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:43 pm

I am using m as Shuddha Ma - not sure what the convention is

It is used in both aroh and avroh
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Re: Ragas that do not use Pancham

Post by nicneufeld » Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:42 pm

That's what I use too, although it does vary...mostly I've seen m shuddh M tivra but Rajan Parrikar reverses that practice so I was checking!

I used the "raga wheel" tool at oceanofragas.com to find these eight ragas that match at least the swara set you provided:

AdbhutKalyan
AmbaManohari
BhinnaRageshri
Chakradhar
DevakriyaBilawal
Garvapriya
Hansvinod
Udayravichandrika

Now I have to also say I'm not familiar with a single one of them, either! :lol:

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Re: Ragas that do not use Pancham

Post by chrisitar » Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:37 pm

if ni is komal this is Gorakh Kalyan, one of my favorite pentatonic ragas, tanpura tuned to sa ma sa sa.
if ni is shuddh this could be Hemant, although there is a tiny sprinkle of pa in Hemant.

Just to be sure, what is the tanpura tuning? Is it Dha like marwa or Ma like Hemant?
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Re: Ragas that do not use Pancham

Post by jignesh142 » Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:00 am

i have checked with www.swarganga.org 's raga finder and i have got rag chandrika which completely omits Pa in aroh and avroh.

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Re: Ragas that do not use Pancham

Post by Kirya » Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:47 pm

I think this may be Malhua Kalyan -- just by chance I happened to watch this and it sounds very much like what I was doing (waaaaaay better of course) but the notes seem to be the right ones

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om8zVnd0GSU
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Re: Ragas that do not use Pancham

Post by Kirya » Wed Oct 03, 2012 6:37 am

Does anybody know where one could find a basic description of Raga Malhua Kalyan
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Re: Ragas that do not use Pancham

Post by chrisitar » Wed Oct 03, 2012 1:06 pm

Kirya wrote:Does anybody know where one could find a basic description of Raga Malhua Kalyan
Same tuning as raag Manj Khamaj. Pt. Nikhil Banerjee is the only one i've heard play this. I think he created it?
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Re: Ragas that do not use Pancham

Post by Kirya » Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:22 pm

Does anybody know the aroh and avrohi ? Or basic chalan

I see it mentioned that it is a blend of Malhua Kedar and Yaman (or Shuddha Kalyan)

There are also a few vocal versions out there so I don't think this is a Nikhil Banerjee invention.

It is just one of those that is off the beaten track. There is a famous old recording on sarod by Ustad Bahadur Khan that used to play on All India Radio
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