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Shivadhyanam
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Tihais

Postby Shivadhyanam » Sat Sep 09, 2006 3:25 am

hi, I will (try to) post some simple tihais here from 1 beat to 16 beats. You can use them to learn the mathematical division/gap in your heart and later you can change the bols/phrases etc. The matra will always have 4 bols (for example: dha - dha - | first bol is dha second is silent, third dha and fourth silent ). Here are the first 4 tihais. The x after last dha represents the sum, the bar | will divide the matra and the - is a silent bol.

(1 beat i.e 16 beat)
dha - dha -|dhax

(2 beats i.e. beats 15 and 16)
te te dha te | te dha te te | dhax

(3 beats)
te te dha - | - te te dha | - - te te | dhax

(4 beats)
ti re ki te | dha - ti re | ki te dha - | ti re ki te | dhax

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(5 beats) starting on 12th beat
ti re ki te | dha - - -
ti re ki te | dha - - -
ti re ki te | dhax

(6 beats) starting on 11th beat
ti re ki te | dha - - - | - - ti re | ki te dha - | - - - - | ti re ki te | dhax

(7 beats) starting on 10th beat
ki te ta ka | ti re ki te | dha - ki te | ta ka ti re |ki te dha - | ki te ta ka |
ti re ki te | dhax

(8 beats) starting on 9th beat
ki te ta ka | ti re ki te | dha - - - | ki te ta ka | ti re ki te | dha - - - |
ki te ta ka | ti re ki te | dhax
Last edited by Shivadhyanam on Mon Sep 18, 2006 1:58 am, edited 3 times in total.

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Postby taal » Sun Sep 10, 2006 5:21 pm

hi;
Nice work Shiva, keep up!!
This used to be my favourite exercise. I would kindly suggest why not make your contribution complete by adding each tihai in two ways: Bedum and Dumdaar?
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Postby Shivadhyanam » Mon Sep 18, 2006 2:30 am

taal wrote:hi;
Nice work Shiva, keep up!!
This used to be my favourite exercise. I would kindly suggest why not make your contribution complete by adding each tihai in two ways: Bedum and Dumdaar?


4 more tihais.

bedums are hard....2nd was a bedum and 4th can be made into a bedum by adding another dha after the last dha in each phrase, I think. The same for the 7th tihai.

For the Pandits out there. Can we make a bedum from tihai number 8
like this? i.e. by adding TeTeDha in the gap.

(8 beats) starting on 9th beat
ki te ta ka | ti re ki te | dha (Te Te Dha) | ki te ta ka | ti re ki te | dha (Te Te Dha) | ki te ta ka | ti re ki te | dhax

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Postby Aanaddha » Mon Sep 18, 2006 3:06 am

Shivadhyanam wrote:
taal wrote:hi;
Nice work Shiva, keep up!!
This used to be my favourite exercise. I would kindly suggest why not make your contribution complete by adding each tihai in two ways: Bedum and Dumdaar?


4 more tihais.

bedums are hard....2nd was a bedum and 4th can be made into a bedum by adding another dha after the last dha in each phrase, I think. The same for the 7th tihai.

For the Pandits out there. Can we make a bedum from tihai number 8
like this? i.e. by adding TeTeDha in the gap.

(8 beats) starting on 9th beat
ki te ta ka | ti re ki te | dha (Te Te Dha) | ki te ta ka | ti re ki te | dha (Te Te Dha) | ki te ta ka | ti re ki te | dhax


Good work Sd!! I for one appreciate your clarity, but for everyone's benefit would you care to explain "bedum" and "dumdar" and give an example of each so we can see how they differ?

:wink:

Thanks,

A.

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Postby Aanaddha » Tue Sep 19, 2006 4:01 pm

Aanaddha wrote:Good work Sd!! I for one appreciate your clarity, but for everyone's benefit would you care to explain "bedum" and "dumdar" and give an example of each so we can see how they differ?
:wink:

A.


Anyone??

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Postby Chaz » Tue Sep 19, 2006 5:31 pm

Bedam means there is no gap in between the tihai phrases.

Shivadhyanam wrote:For the Pandits out there. Can we make a bedum from tihai number 8 like this? i.e. by adding TeTeDha in the gap.

(8 beats) starting on 9th beat
ki te ta ka | ti re ki te | dha (Te Te Dha) | ki te ta ka | ti re ki te | dha (Te Te Dha) | ki te ta ka | ti re ki te | dhax

I would try it like this:
|kite taka |tire kite |taka Dhaki |teta kati
|reki teta |kaDha kite|taka tire |kite taka
|Dha

so change the phrase from "kitetaka tirakita Dha" to "Kitetaka tirakita taka Dha." then you have a bedam tihai with no filler in the gap.

Another eight-beat tihai idea:

|tira kita |Dha - | - - | - tira
|kita Dha | - - | - - |tira kita
|Dha
(three beat phrase with four beat gap)

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Postby taal » Tue Sep 19, 2006 7:11 pm

Good work Sd!! I for one appreciate your clarity, but for everyone's benefit would you care to explain "bedum" and "dumdar" and give an example of each so we can see how they differ?


Thanks,

A.


Subject of tihai is very important, interesting, somewhat confusing, but in general very much concerning for all of us.
Dum is Persian word meaning "breath".
For all the beginners, I would suggest to refer a very nice article by David on this site itself:
http://www.chandrakantha.com/tablasite/ ... s/cad3.htm[
Regards;
Taal

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Postby taal » Tue Sep 19, 2006 7:12 pm

Sorry; my mistake. The correct link for above article is:

http://www.chandrakantha.com/tablasite/ ... s/cad3.htm
Regards;
Taal

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Postby sada » Mon Sep 25, 2006 7:16 am

hi.
some simple tihais from my side first dadra
1.kran( terekete takata terekete dha)play in bracket 3 time.
2.gadigina dha sgadi ginadha s gadigina Dha
3.dhati dha sdha tidha s dhati Dha
4.dhinagina dhasdhina ginadhas dhinagina Dha(for keherwa)
for ropak
dhatittatit dhadhatuna dhasdhatit tatitdhadha tunadhas dhatittatit dhadhatuna Dha

regards
sada

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Re: Tihais

Postby dhatitdha » Tue Aug 30, 2016 1:32 pm

Here is the Tihai generator which will help you to generate Tihai in any Taal

http://vishwamohini.com/music/tihai.php

Some more useful stuff on Tihai
What is Tihai?
http://vishwamohini.com/music/music.php?id=72

4 Tihai patterns you must remember
http://vishwamohini.com/music/music.php?id=178

How to create multiple Tihais from single Tihai
http://vishwamohini.com/music/music.php?id=177

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Re: Tihais

Postby ankupat » Wed Aug 31, 2016 11:39 pm

A simple all encompassing theory of tihai and the method of construction is given near the beginning of Dr. Pal's book "Step-by-step development of tabla compositions from the ground up." It is very easy to understand -- all it requires is an ability to count and multiply/divide by 3. There are close to a thousand tihais of all kinds and complexities, covering every possibility, in the book.

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Re: Tihais

Postby dhatitdha » Thu Sep 15, 2016 8:06 am

Brief information about Tihai
http://vishwamohini.com/music/music.php?id=72

Further reading
1. Four Tihai patterns you must remember
http://vishwamohini.com/music/music.php?id=178

2. How to create multiple Tihais from single Tihai
http://vishwamohini.com/music/music.php?id=177

Actually it is very easy to calculate Tihai, but most important part you should know is how to count/take a gap/pause while playing Tihai. If you dont know how to take gap correctly, tihai will never come on sam.

Most popular gaps are 1, 2, 3 and 5 beats.
1 beat gap = Dha 1
2 beat gap = Dha 1 2 = Dha aa N
3 Beat Gap = Dha 1 2 3 = Dha 1 Aa 3
5 beat gap = Dha 1 2 3 4 5 = Dha 1 kat 3 kat 5

Before playing any tihai one should know how much is the gap & how to take that gap.

One more simple way to calculate Tihai is
Substract (Dha( 1beat) + Gap) * 2 from total number of beats and divide by 3 to get a phrase to be repeated three times

for example
lets assume we need to calculate Tihai in 16 beats
1. [ Dha (1 beat) + 1 beat (Gap) ] * 2 = 4 beats
2. 16 - 4 = 12
3. 12/3 = 4 so phrase will be 4 beats excluding last dha of each phrase

So Tihai will be

1 2 3 4 Dha Gap (1 beat) 1 2 3 4 Dha Gap (1 beat) 1 2 3 4

You can repeat same procedure to check for other gaps, if it does not get devided by 3 then straight Tihai is not possible.

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Re: Tihais

Postby Benarsidass » Thu Sep 15, 2016 4:02 pm

This seems like a complicated way to calculate. I notice that the final dha of your tihais, for some reason, is not included in the math. So you're thinking of a 17 beat tihai ( 1 round of tintal + dha = 16 + 1 = 17) as a 16 beat tihai.

I was always taught to include the final dha (17). Then you just need to divide 17 by 3. Since it doesn't divide evenly, you look at the nearest numbers. 6 x 3 = 18 is too long. So try 5: 5 x 3 = 15. Then you need 2 beats of gap (1 beat between each repetition): 5 x 3 = 15 + 2 = 17.

This is the standard sam-to-sam tihai we all learn by heart, so we don't need to calculate. But this is the system I was taught to use for all tihais, chakradars, etc. Always include the final dha (+1). So 1 round of tintal is 17, 2 rounds is 33, 4 rounds is 65, etc.

Also, dhatidha's system includes the gap in the calculation. But what if you don't know the gap? Isn't that why we sometimes need to calculate?

I know that there are different systems that different players use to calculate. I'm curious if anyone else uses a system like dhatidha's.

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Re: Tihais

Postby dhatitdha » Fri Sep 16, 2016 8:53 am

@Benarsidass, definitely your way is simple.

I agree, my system is little complicated, but using this system it is possible to create Tihais with different gaps. That is why I chose this system.

This system will help people to create a Tihai of gaps they are comfortable with.

Because, first one should know how to take a gap. And you can play Tihai confidently only when you are confident that you can take a gap correctly while playing Tihai.

With this system one has to just remember to subtract 4, 6, 8, and 12 matras from total beats & devide by 3 to check if Tihai is possible.

( Dha + 1 beat gap ) * 2 = 4
( Dha + 2 beat gap ) * 2 = 6
( Dha + 3 beat gap ) * 2 = 8
( Dha + 5 beat gap ) * 2 = 12

Anyway, these are different ways, which ultimately goes to same destination :-)

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Re: Tihais

Postby Shawn » Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:15 pm

Both techniques approach the matter from different angles, with different parameters being known in advance, so it depends on what you're trying to do. Personally, I tend to use the method explained by Benarsidass, which concerns itself with the overall length of the tihai and subdivision of the matra. The resulting gap will be whatever it needs to be, without it needing to be pre-determined. However, it would be possible to adapt the system to impose a certain gap length if desired.
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