playing dha tre kre dhe te te ... fast

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tablataal
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playing dha tre kre dhe te te ... fast

Post by tablataal » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:23 am

So in Zhakir Bhais recordings when playing chalans he plays the stroke dha tre kre dhe te te ka ta ga dhi ge ney ridiculously fast. There is a recording in "Selects" album where he plays this. I am familiar with playing it in slower speeds where the dhi is played phakawaj style, where all 4 fingers hit the tabla to make a ringing sound.

This technique seems too slow to play it at the speeds Zhakir bhai plays it at. How do you play this bol at lightning speeds? does the fingering change or is it just practice

Benarsidass
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Re: playing dha tre kre dhe te te ... fast

Post by Benarsidass » Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:10 am

Not sure about Zakir's recording, but at fast speeds it's common to substitute trake with reverse tete (starting with index finger). And din is played like tin/tu with just one finger.

So the fingering becomes: dhatete dhetete kataga tigene

hbajpai
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Re: playing dha tre kre dhe te te ... fast

Post by hbajpai » Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:39 pm

Benarsidass wrote:Not sure about Zakir's recording, but at fast speeds it's common to substitute trake with reverse tete (starting with index finger). And din is played like tin/tu with just one finger.

So the fingering becomes: dhatete dhetete kataga tigene
I agree with the above suggested nikas completely.

I always wondered, if we were assign a metric of BPM, at what speed does one switch or should switch?

Also, Typically, lehra devices have a range marked for vilambit, Madhya, Drut and Ati Drut. Are these ranges quite standard?

tablataal
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Re: playing dha tre kre dhe te te ... fast

Post by tablataal » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:36 pm

IMO I thought it was always common to vary nikas to accommodate different speeds. Even teen taal theka (dha dhin dhin na) (1 finger) is often changed to dha dhi dhin na (uses 2 fingers) at ati druit it may even become dha ti ge ne....

singhhh_ap
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Re: playing dha tre kre dhe te te ... fast

Post by singhhh_ap » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:46 pm

I have seen many teachers and Maestros changing fingering to accommodate high speed. You may have a recitation which is different from the actual playing in some cases.

Example:

"Rare Treasures of Farukabad" - Arvind Mulgaonkar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LY_RH2_ZGpU

50 Lessons for Tabla: Lesson 14: Kayda 14

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viKAeAgqRkg

So, what Mr. Benarsidass wrote is accurate.

Kind Regards,
AP

rch
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Re: playing dha tre kre dhe te te ... fast

Post by rch » Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:47 pm

IMO, tabla is like a language if learnt in the early developmental years when the growth plates are still robust, gets ingrained into your system and one could even put lightening to shame, like Zakirji or Swapanji. Once past this stage however, you are essentially at the mercy of infinite practice. Mind that though if one really tries to attain that level of speed beyond that age or your comfort level with unrelenting practice, you might put yourself at risk of developing tendinitis and arthritis in the long run like the athletes do. CTS is only the tip of the iceberg!!!

gamera123
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Re: playing dha tre kre dhe te te ... fast

Post by gamera123 » Sun May 14, 2017 2:50 pm

At fast speeds you play the same as at slow speeds.

The only "shortcut" is that instead of playing Tre in the traditional manner you can play the index finger. I have heard you can start with the ring finger but that changes the sound of this entirely.

Hope this helps.

gamera123
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Re: playing dha tre kre dhe te te ... fast

Post by gamera123 » Sun May 14, 2017 2:53 pm

I should clarify my response though...I play the bhol without any shortcuts at high speed. All it takes is lots of practice :)

As a general rule I don't endorse shortcuts or simplified fingering. I endorse long hours of practice at slow speeds and building up.

All the best,
Amarjit.

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